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May 21, 2007

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Why are you sure that the exclusion was not intentional?

First, let me say how sorry I am that you were excluded from the party. That is rotten and
thoughtless of Mary and co-horts.
I have a rule in my house that unless all children, or all girls or all boys are invited to a party, we don't go. Period. I have heard some lame excuses about why some kids aren't invited. And it is also against school rules to do this too.
The same would apply for parents parties except I never go to them anyway, but being single and having a terrible experience in a Catholic school (getting the evil eye for being single) I have no doubt that you were excluded.
Again, I am sorry people have treated you like that
and I hope some of them are made aware and refuse to attend any more of Mary's click night out.

Yvette, good point. I agree with you. I don't want to excuse her racism. I wanted to express that I believe it was an unconscious decision, but interestingly, as I've told others about this I've had mixed responses - and my non-white friends have all said the same as you. Why am I SURE it wasn't intentional? My response is, I'm not. It's my first reaction to try and give people the benefit of the doubt, even though it's almost never reciprocal. You brought up a great point!

Ouch.

Whether intentional or not it has the same impact. And it is infuriating. Don't you sometimes just want to do something insanely inappropriate to break through that silent smugness?

Would it have been innappropriate to go up to her and ask if there was a reason you were not invited to the Moms Night Out? Maybe "excuse me, I saw you handing out the flyers to the Moms Night Out all around the room and noticed that you did not give one to any of the women of color? Is there a reason I and the other mothers are not invited?"

Stories like this MAKE MY BLOOD BOIL!
DS-L

Regardless of why you were excluded, it was just plain shirty and immature of her to be passing out the invitations in front of the uninvited. Unless that was the point and she passively aggressively wants people to know who is and isn't invited. You mentioned an email list, couldn't it have been handled through there or by phone?

It'll be interesting to see what Mary's repsonse is and if suddenly there's an open invitation to everybody for these get togethers.

Wow, this is massively f-ed up and yet not at all shocking. What's worse you just know this woman is gonna come out with some lame-ass excuse once she gets called on it. Ugh. $20 says she'll say that she just didn't *see* you or some other such nonsense. And the cleverly passive aggressive use of cocktails in order to ward off the presence of Muslims... yuck. It's times like this that I wish I wasn't so intimately acquainted with the inner-workings of the white psyche.

Not knowing anyone you are speaking of, but knowing what it is to live in Minnesota, I can imagine I'd have the same reaction as you. I tend to find that most of the white folks here who are "progressive" are actually far behind in their own consciousness on their white privilege. So my gut reaction to this is that Mary has no clue how she has made you feel. Perhaps she is being forthright and purposely not inviting the mothers of color, but I doubt it. I also can see why you wouldn't just go up to her and ask. Sounds so easy and logical to do, but it isn't. Sometimes I peronally want to investigage the situation before just going up and asking someone if they really ARE being that racist (whether intentional or not).

That is so f'd up. I think I would have started to cry right there. Like someone else said, unconscious or not, she handed out those invitations right in front of you. No excuse!

You are brave to plan to say something. I'd be afraid I'd get hurt more. I'm sorry this shit happened to you.

blech...that situation leaves a nasty taste in my mouth...

I hate that gross feeling in your stomach when you're like, yep-and I'm excluded AGAIN...and then that feeling gets worse when you realize it is, in fact, a racial thing.

and man, I HATE when people think they've "overcome" their racisms and they pull stupid ignorant crap like that. Don't even pretend, ya know?

I hate having to ask myself if race plays a part in someone's decision in how they treat me in situations like that. I go into the same thought patterns as you have, and sometimes it's just frustrating that the question itself (of race) needs to be asked.

IMHO, someone needs to be pretty clueless of not understanding how they excluded you and the other mothers of color, and while you may not want to be a part of that group anymore, it might also be fun to just press the issue and make them uncomfortable if race really is the reason.

As a former white minnesotian now far removed, I just wanted to scream when I read this. ARGH!!!! Has life really not moved on?

I can't figure out if she is simply DUMB or rasicst. How could anyone NOT realize that those who are being publically excluded would not realize? Its beyond belief. I'm so sorry this happenned.

Do discuss it with your co worker if you can. This woman needs to see her actions and rectify them.

How did it go when you talked to your co-worker?

it's her house so she can invite whoever she wants...and did you ever think that maybe it's not your race, but it's your personality?

I have to agree with another person who posted--why don't you go and ask her blatantly what the deal is? I am not so sure this wasn't intentional, actually it sounds very intentional and downright rude!
Of course she has a right to ask whomever she wants to her home, and not others, BUT to openly invite people and not others and under the guise of mom's who share a school is just wrong. If she had friends who happened to have children who go there fine, but it seems the group is set up to be for mom's of children who go to the school. Sounds like she knew exactly what she was doing.
Of course you shouldn't expect an invitation now, but really, would you want to hang out with those type of people? Not only does that woman have prejudice, many the women I don't know, BUT she is seriously inconsiderate and rude! Not the kind of person I would want to call friend.
Just my thoughts.

Angie,
Absolutely, if it was my personality she didn't like, I wouldn't expect her to invite me.

Except she doesn't know me, just like she didn't know many of the other women she handed out invitations to.

It's also significant that even though this wasn't an official school function, she used an official school function to solicit people to the get-together. It wasn't just a "private party." It was labeled as "School" Mom's Night Out.

I have no reason to speculate that she excluded me because of my personality but it seems like my personality bothers you.

Ugh.

In my kids' elementary school, there is a strict rule that b-day party invitations are NOT to be passed out in class. It makes those not invited feel excluded. That's just basic manners which this person obviously lacks whether race was involved or not.

It's difficult to not to think of race when there's a definite exclusion of people of color. I try also to give people the benefit of the doubt, but there are times when my instincts speak to the contrary. That's what is so tricky about subtle racism.

In this case, if it were really simply a “School Mom’s Night Out,” then why didn't she post a bulletin on the door or send a newsletter home like most people do instead of handing out invitations?

You have a beautiful personality btw. I just love defensive, anonymous hit and run commenters, don't you?

I'm so sorry I'm getting here so late, Jae Ran.

I know these kinds of situations all too well, and no matter how you slice it, and which angle you try to see it from, it just plain hurts. Even more than when it happened to us as kids, for many reasons.

I'm anxious to hear what your colleague has to say.

So much for "progressive" parents. I admire you for having kept your cool in the situation and for giving Mary the benefit of the doubt. Please do update us on what your co-worker says and do. I want to know how Mary reacts. Her attitude shouldn't go unchallenged.

That was a shitty thing to do.

It sure sounds like she was only inviting "her" kind of people.

My reaction would probably be to start having "Fun Mom's Night Out" and not inviting Mary.

Thanks for sharing this with us, I'm sorry that you experienced this clod.

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